Comment from Thomas
November 22, 2008, 7:09 am

Where’s the ACLU galloping in to protect the First Amendment? I don’t get it, legislating morality is inappropriate when abortion is concerned, but it’s OK when we’re talking about nude dancing. Murder is wrong, but capital punishment is legal and “justice.” Stealing froma pizza delivery guy is robbery, but taxing folks and giving their money to others who didn’t earn it is “progressive” taxation. Relativity certainly reigns supreme when it comes to morality.

Comment from RJR
November 22, 2008, 7:47 am

Nicely said Thomas, with the financial hardships facing Elyria, maybe Gracy should stop wasting tax payers money persecuting a lawful, tax paying business, which employs people who also pay taxes.
Leave the morals of the community to the religious leaders, not as a voter platform.
As I have said before, I haven’t heard of anyone being forced to enter this establishment, or children peeking in windows as they walk by going to school or church.
If you wish to continue your morality sword of justice, perhaps you should include the comings and goings of your politcal cronies and city employees who check in routinely at local motels latenight with persons other than their spouses.
Gee, I didn’t know we had so many political figures in Lorain County and Elyria named Smith or Jones?

Comment from Ehi81
November 22, 2008, 7:59 am

Leave them alone and start looking for the real criminals running our streets. I’ve never known someone to be hurt by a uncovered breast.

Comment from flask
November 22, 2008, 9:35 am

If you have a problem with Elyria’s ordinance on adult entertainment, and the city’s subsequent enforcement of that law, I suggest you start a petition to repeal it.

Comment from Lovinglife4me
November 22, 2008, 9:43 am

Has everyone forgotten the under age girl that was said to be dancing there?
I guess since it wasn’t YOUR daughter, no one cares.
These people were told they couldn’t open THAT KIND of business from the very beginning.
Judge Mark Betleski ruled that the club wouldn’t be considered adult entertainment.
Are you kidding me??????

Comment from Lovinglife4me
November 22, 2008, 12:33 pm

Sorry! Of course there is no problem with children being there. I am sure her dancing was innocent fun. After all it’s not considered an “ADULT” establishment.

Comment from MyLyria
November 22, 2008, 12:57 pm

So, it’s Ok to have 13 year old girls dancing there, as long as they are covered. Wonderful. Sounds like a good hionest tax paying business to me. I wish it were right next door to my house.

Comment from JZ
November 22, 2008, 1:04 pm

Whether there was a minor dancing there or not is a seperate issue.

Comment from Dan S.
November 22, 2008, 3:58 pm

…did anyone else have to look up the word areola?

Comment from Lagrageone
November 22, 2008, 8:41 pm

OK, was it really necessary to specify ‘nipples and areola (s)’ By the way, that word can be plural, Brad. If women have two breasts, they also most likely have two areolas. Just a thought.

You’re right, Ehi, however. No one’s hurt by an uncovered breast. But when half of Elyria’s main drag’s stores and restaurants are closed, it does make the strip club look a lot more tacky.

I’m sorry. I’m still confused as to why ‘nipples and areola’ passed through the eyes of an editor, yet when my friend wrote for the Chronicle, the word ‘uterus’ was edited out three times in an article pertaining to a woman that had cancer of the, you guessed it, uterus.

WEIRD.

Comment from dbs0011
November 22, 2008, 11:02 pm

I wonder if a guy went in there without a shirt, would that be a problem? How absurd. I agree with RJR and Ehi81. The underage employee is a completely separate issue entirely. If it is a law-abiding well-kept establishment (no matter how arcane the law is) why would the city want to chase it out? If it’s not law-abiding, go after for that reason. Have you driven around there lately? Bennigans, Fazolis, Red Robin/El Jarabe TJ Maxx gone gone gone gone. Turn the mall into a giant OlvGrdn, that place always has a wait.

Comment from Dan S.
November 23, 2008, 5:21 pm

“I’m sorry. I’m still confused as to why ‘nipples and areola’ passed through the eyes of an editor, yet when my friend wrote for the Chronicle, the word ‘uterus’ was edited out three times in an article pertaining to a woman that had cancer of the, you guessed it, uterus.”

Let me guess, when the dreaded word ‘uterus’ was edited out, it was replaced with “uterine” as in the term “uterine cancer” which is the more accepted term by the medical profession?

Damned snooty editors…

Besides, would you be happy if they would have replaced “nipples and areola” with “mammary spigots,” or maybe “fun bag nozzles?”

Comment from BEN DOVER
November 23, 2008, 5:55 pm

My gosh, put this to rest already, evrything is behind closed doors, how can it possibly offend unless you pay admission and go inside. When I go into CK’s theres racks of magazines behind the counter that are way more visible. It draws tax money and business to Elyria. For gosh sake. Like Carlisle trying to fight the Brass pole, WHO cares, and quit wasting OUR tax money to fight them. If you want to go there fine, if not, in 2 seconds you’ll be by the place. ITs behind closed doors. Guess what goes on behind MILLIONS of citizens closed doors? Does that offend too?

Comment from The Crow
November 23, 2008, 7:48 pm

Hilarious, Dan S., Hilarious!!! That’s some funny stuff!

Comment from Dan S.
November 23, 2008, 7:55 pm

Thanks Crow!

Comment from MyLyria
November 24, 2008, 9:40 am

I think the reason those other restaurants went out of business was because:

1) The food sucked
2) The service sucked
3) The prices were too high

Comment from allmoney1996
November 24, 2008, 10:19 am

I personally could care less about what’s goin’ on behind those doors, of course, as long as it’s legal, which it seems as it is…

The only reason I could imagine it closing is……Elyria’s finest are not fine…*barf*

Comment from Lagrageone
November 24, 2008, 1:02 pm

Dan S., you are a real piece of work. I’m not offended by the words, just thought it was ironic.

Also, the words that were edited pertained to the woman’s quotes.

Just to be clear, uterus and uterine are NOT interchangeable words.

Uterus is the organ itself. Uterine means pertaining to the uterus. Wow……..

“When I found out it (the cancer) had spread to my uterus, I was shattered.” No, smart @$$, you can’t replace that word for two reasons- first off, because it wouldn’t make sense, and secondly because you can’t (moreso shouldn’t) screw with a QUOTATION.

Maybe you should use your self-proclaimed superbrain to think things through before you make ignorant comments.

Better yet, write for the Chronicle.

Also, MyLyria, those restaurants closed because 1. Bennigan’s location everywhere closed. 2. Fazoli’s- closed due to increased rental cost. (That place was always busy.) 3. Red Robin- this was a non-corporate store and the owner chose to close due to a renovation that was required by corporate. Also, he only runs franchises, and didn’t wish to incorporate the business.

OK, well, El Jarabe….. you’re probably right on that one. lo

Comment from Jack Miller
November 24, 2008, 2:09 pm

MYLYRIA and LAGRAGEONE - You’re both wrong on why the restaurants closed. They were within the border of the soon to be infamous Elyria Rectangle. They open and whatever evil force is there closes them down. It’s like putting a lame horse in the Kentucky Derby, then hoping against hope it will pull off a glorious win.

I have climbed the highest mountains here and the deepest canyon in Arizona looking for an Indian shaman who would sell me a curse lifting concoction. I didn’t find a damn thing in either place except cold and rocks in the former and heat and thirst in the latter. Ah, but all was not lost! Not even me because the search and rescue teams kept finding me.

I walked into a small tavern in Williams, Arizona and met my shaman. For two shots of cheap rye, some company and a promise of girls dancing on poles, he gave me the magic substance to lift the curse. Strangely, it looks like a bit of desert dust and small pieces of dried weeds. He mumbled something about a powerful, secret ingredient being mixed in it. Being a man of faith, good will and eternal optimism, I believe it will work.

This Christmas, the Indian shaman, whose name is Larry, and I will be coming to Elyria. I should’ve never mentioned girls on poles because it’s all he talks about. We will be in the area of the Midway Mall performing an elaborate Indian curse lifting dance (he’s bringing a drum!) that will finally lift the long lived curse of restaurants. They will once again prosper and serve good food and good service. Though I’m sure the service won’t be near as good as what the girls on poles can give you.

So if you should see us out there in the cold banging a drum and dancing around sprinkling the magic dirt, please consider the great favor we are doing for your city and drop off a donation at Good Will, Coats for Kids, Toys for Tots or The Salvation Army. As for Larry and I? Donate a couple girls on poles to us and we’ll be quite content. Not to mention warm.

Comment from Dan S.
November 24, 2008, 3:43 pm

Lagrangeone…

First off, I never claimed that “uterus and uterine” are interchangeable words.

Second, I never claimed to have a “superbrain” as you falsely stated.

Third, I don’t believe you, when you say the Chronicle editors would changed words within a quote.

And forth… lighten up Bubba.

Comment from dippydo
November 24, 2008, 5:02 pm

I think that all of those places closed due to the smoking ban. LOL Maybe Elyria should pass a law so you could enjoy a “butt” in the establishment that has nipples and areolas.

Comment from the banker
November 24, 2008, 6:13 pm

we want bush

Comment from DonTCare
November 25, 2008, 8:25 am

Just like to see if we could get them in Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade…. Like to see what the float looks like….lol

Comment from Mrs. Waldman
November 25, 2008, 8:58 am

My opinion is that there should not be a men’s entertainment club in Elyria. Do we really need these? Close it up and use the space for something a little more productive–like a job training facility or a women’s self defense club.
These are degrading to women and only fuel the way men look at women. Women that work in these places also add to the way men look at and treat women.
Women will finally be respected and treated as equals and not sex objects when this type of things stops.
Has any adult ever viewed a pornographic film? Many can say they have and include myself in that. I saw a film one time and was completely disgusted. It was clearly aimed for men and it clearly was degrading to women.
We can’t allow young boys to learn about women through these type of films (and yes, young men watch them) and we can’t keep allowing men to think this is okay either.
Clean it up and get a hold of yourself.
And just for the record, no I’m not fat or ugly and no I am not a “prude” or a “Lesbian”. I am just tired of fighting for the rights of women when some just keep taking us backwards and allowing men to look at us as sexual objects rather than equals.

Comment from Lovinglife4me
November 25, 2008, 11:35 am

Well said Mrs. Waldman!!! Brace yourself, I’d bet the attacks are coming.

Comment from spidey
November 25, 2008, 11:55 am

This mens club is nice. Women attend the events there as well. This is 2008, get over the womans rights stuff. Those woman have a right and they CHOOSE to dance just like some CHOOSE other careers.
That place has NOT be cited have they?
Please do not compare porno films with entertaining dancing.

Comment from Lovinglife4me
November 25, 2008, 12:36 pm

Spoken like a man!!!! How would you feel if that was your daughter dancing there Spidey??? Would you be a proud daddy???

Comment from Lovinglife4me
November 25, 2008, 12:44 pm

Career???? Are you kidding me? I’ve never heard of a 50 year old dancer. Pretty SHORT career!!! The clubs usually make them independent contractors so they don’t have to pay them anything. No benefits. Real great job!!

Comment from spidey
November 25, 2008, 2:36 pm

I would have no problem with it if she was dancing for the money to send her to college. Great amount of money that pasy for her college education to become a doctor. Which last i heard is agreat career. Get off your higher then thou horse. This is America.
I see why you dislike it, couldnt cut it could ya Lovinglife?

Comment from Dan S.
November 25, 2008, 4:31 pm

“Women will finally be respected and treated as equals and not sex objects when this type of things stops.”

Dream on.

We could dress our women in burkas, burn down all movie theatres, black out all television, outlaw any media showing women…

AND STILL, a couple guys could be walking down the street, get a glimpse of a woman’s eyebrow, or eye fur as they’ll call it, then they’ll high five each other as they say, “OH YOU KNOW SHE WANTS IT!”

The only men who truly respect women are Gay or have daughters, they wish were sons.

No healthy man is going to look at a beautiful, legal aged, naked young lady and wonder what her parents would think, or worry about whether or not she has a GED.

I’m sorry, we’re just hard wired when it comes to certain things.

OK, that said, we’re all wired differently too, especially when it comes to porn and nudie bars.

A buddy was in Iraq doing contract work when he noted the Internet connections there, that go through the government server, didn’t allow access to porn.

He said you could buy DVD’s of things that weren’t even released at the theaters yet, but you couldn’t buy any nudie magazines or porn videos.

I knew a guy working the oil fields in Saudi. On one trip there, before they let him in the country, they went through all of his stuff looking for Playboy or whatever, and ran across a standard photo of his recently passed away wife. It was one of the few photos he had, and she was fully clothed, however they took a black Marks-A-Lot and covered up her arms, legs, neck and part of her face, just showing her eyes. He said he cried when they did that.

Anyway, back to Iraq, where you got a LOT of horny young men, there are no “men’s magazines” or porn.

My buddy asked me to send some “European Porn” and I agreed.

So, for the first time since DVD’s came out, I went behind the beaded door of my local video store, and checked out an assortment of what appeared to be Europe and Russian porn.

As I copied it, I took a look at some of it, and it was horrific. Absolutely NOBODY involved in this thing looked like they were having any fun at all, and most of the men and women looked like they were really upset about something. These were all very angry people. And nothing looked at all appealing to me. It was like a waterballoon fight where the darned things wouldn’t break and just kept swinging around without changing their shapes. These things looked like something most people in their right minds would bay good money to have surgically removed.

So after that box o’ porn to Baghdad, I checked out some of the other kinds of porn in the store, and settled on Japanese porn. It’s like, who cares what they’re talking about, and they all pretty much look like they’re enjoying themselves, and none of the women look like nasty shaved hookers, you know smelled like dead fish.

My contractor buddy passed that stuff around after making copies an I can’t imagine there was any damage done to the young men who are blowing people away, then take a break to watch good looking naked women have sex.

Like the spectrum of porn, the same is true with the nudie bars.

This one where the women get buck naked scared me…

The girl on stage was some kind of porn star, and dragged a guy in the first row on stage, ripped off his shirt, put a dog collar and chain on him, walked him around, while kicking and whipping the daylights out of him, and I’m thinking, “This isn’t what I’d call fun by a long shot…”

Then they announced a ‘lights out lap dance special’ I had no idea of what that was, and turned down a couple naked women who wanted to give me a lap dance, when the lights went out, to where I literally couldn’t see my hand in front of my face, even the ‘exit’ sign went black. This went on for what seemed to be 10 minutes with the music way up to drown out any other sounds. When the lights came on, I was the heck out of there, before they could hit me up for the two drink minimum.

The only thing I wondered about the parents of those slags, was whether or not they used their daddy’s as a reference when they applied for that job.

That place made the Tivoli Theatre on Broadway, when it use to show porn, look like a class act.